Eastern Front Grand Campaign - Worklog

[:FI:Sneaky_Russian]

. . . .than you can shake a stick at:-

http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Index/p ... mapsi.html

Covering all fronts, strategic etc.

[:FI:Dr_Strangelove]

Sweet post Sneaky, this will help a lot.

[:FI:Dr_Strangelove]

Ok still looking for some input and help on this. Anyone else interested?

[:FI:Falcon]

DrS,

Any news on the RU plane sets yet?

Thx,


F

[:FI:Nellip]

Falcon

I can tell you what I have put in for the Stalingrad missions so far (9 done to date).

Sturmoviks for mudmoving and P39's and LaGG3's for the fighters.

Not too late to change this - I was thinking of running a poll to see what the preferences of people are. We could use I16's, Mig3's or La5's, and maybe Pe2/3's for the bombers?

Any thoughts?

[:FI:Rabitski]

There was also a lot of YaK-9, and YaK -1b @ Stalingrad, indeed if I recall they held them back from the frontline just for the offensive. Also I think it would be cool if instead of doing the normal VVS v OKL like you see on most server's you get more mission's against the other Axis forces that were to the north and south of the city. Also if the mission's could reflect the fact that following the russian counter attack 95% of all OKL fighter mission's were ground attack mission's to aid there troop's that were trying to break through and thoses trapprd in the city. Also as far as I can remember transport's only landed @ Gumrak and for some reason the german's never had any AAA on that field. I hope to help making some of these mission's but I have been cought up with other thing's @ the moment and I'm kind of taking a break from mission building after all the Pacific one's we just finnished making and the mission's for Lock On that I have just finnished. But give me a week or two and I'll help out in what ever way you want guy's.

[:FI:Sneaky_Russian]

There was also a lot of YaK-9, and YaK -1b @ Stalingrad

See White Rose of Stalingrad

also links to Nightwitches on same page

Searchlights, however, were another story. The Germans at Stalingrad developed what the Russians called a "flak circus". They would bring out the flak guns that had been hidden during the day, and lay them in concentric circles around probable targets, and the same with the searchlights. Po-2s crossing the perimeter in pairs in the straight line flight path typical of untrained but determined Russian flyers were usually ripped to pieces by the Flak 37 guns. The 588th, however, developed another tactic. They flew in formations of three. Two would go in first, attract the attention of the searchlights, and when all of them pointed to them in the sky, separate suddenly in opposite directions and maneuver wildly to try to shake them off. The German searchlight operators would follow them, while the third bomber who was farther back snuck in through the darkened path made by her 2 comrades and hit the target unopposed. She would then get out, rejoin with the other two, and they would switch places until all three had delivered their payloads. It took nerves of steel to be a decoy and willingly attract enemy fire, but as Nadya Popova said: "It worked."

[:FI:Snaphoo]

also links to Nightwitches on same page

Searchlights, however, were another story. The Germans at Stalingrad developed what the Russians called a "flak circus". They would bring out the flak guns that had been hidden during the day, and lay them in concentric circles around probable targets, and the same with the searchlights. Po-2s crossing the perimeter in pairs in the straight line flight path typical of untrained but determined Russian flyers were usually ripped to pieces by the Flak 37 guns. The 588th, however, developed another tactic. They flew in formations of three. Two would go in first, attract the attention of the searchlights, and when all of them pointed to them in the sky, separate suddenly in opposite directions and maneuver wildly to try to shake them off. The German searchlight operators would follow them, while the third bomber who was farther back snuck in through the darkened path made by her 2 comrades and hit the target unopposed. She would then get out, rejoin with the other two, and they would switch places until all three had delivered their payloads. It took nerves of steel to be a decoy and willingly attract enemy fire, but as Nadya Popova said: "It worked."

[Ege]

[:FI:Dr_Strangelove]

DrS,

Any news on the RU plane sets yet?

Thx,


F

Still working on it, should have some answers for you real soon. Work has been kicking my ass recently and I just have not had the time to put into it.

If anyone can find any information on the Yelnya Offensive from 1941 please let me know. This will be the first engagement of the Campaign.

[:FI:Falcon]

Falcon

I can tell you what I have put in for the Stalingrad missions so far (9 done to date).

Sturmoviks for mudmoving and P39's and LaGG3's for the fighters.

Not too late to change this - I was thinking of running a poll to see what the preferences of people are. We could use I16's, Mig3's or La5's, and maybe Pe2/3's for the bombers?

Any thoughts?

Nelli,

From a purely ~squadron skinner project~ point of view we have the Yak 9, Pe-2, IL2 and the LaGG almost ready. The P-39 is in the works, too. All the other VVS could be brought up within a week if specified.

From a recruiting POV, I have noted interest in the P-47 and the Spitfire. I think most of the LendLease fighters were used up north, but it's been years since I've checked this.

Uh, any Mossi's in Kalach?




Falcon

[:FI:Nellip]

Stalingrad plane sets:

From the research I have done so far I was trying to identify specific units that were in the sector and using the aircraft they flew - like we have done for the Pearl to Japan campaign.

9th GvIAP flew both LaGG3's and P39's from what I can find out, and the 7th GvShAP flew Il2's. I guess the question is do we want to stick with one hypothetical (and busy!) unit through the whole war and chose an evolving plane set for it - or pick specific units and try and be more historical in approach? I have no particular preference.

From what I have read on the airlift there were two main airfields used - Pitomnik and Gumrak. Pitomnik was used more but was over run by the Red Army on the 16th January 1943 and then just Gumrak was used for the last two weeks until the city fell.

I have listened to Rabitskis comments from last week and two of the missions I have written this week cover Romanian and Italian forces.

[:FI:Heloego]

Now, if I could just find a stick to test your theory.

[:FI:TacticalS!]

Please consider this information mates (numbers not absolute but relative strength):

Russian:
(85) Yak-7B
(60) Hurricane IIB
(52) Yak-1
(50) Lagg-3 S. 35
(36) I-16 Model 18
(30) P-40E
(25) Mig-3 ud
(110) IL-2 Series 3
(35) IL-2 Field Model
(32) Po-2
(24) A-20 VVS
(24) Su-2
(24) SB-2 M103
(24) Pe-2 Series 110

vs.

Axis:
(100) Bf-109 G-2
(60) IAR80 (Romanian)
(54) Bf-109 E-7/B
(45) Bf-109 F-4
(146) Ju-88 A-4
(92) He-111 H-6
(63) Ju-87 D3
(58 ) Bf-110 C
(30) Ju-87 B-2

Tweak for availability and gameplay. While I usually balance the sides, if you would like to the Russians only had a relative strength of 0.8 in this scenario (0.8 planes for every 1 German plane).

Regards,
TS!

[:FI:Nellip]

Hey TactS

What is the source of this info?

Bit surprised to find no P39 - one of my sources lists the 9th GvIAP as having Lagg3's and P39s and says stationed at Zeta-airfield, Stalingrad Front October 42 to Spring 43?

Cheers

Nellip