Training/Radio Procedures/Takeoff
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Training/Radio Procedures/Takeoff
Standardization is the most important method to reduce confusion.
When executing an inline takeoff collisions are common.
Grouping above the field is facilitated with standardized, well-timed departures. This is a simple procedure to follow.
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Flight leader makes initial call when he is ready. In order, each pilot awaits his turn and states when he is ready. (Tail-end Charlie might state he is the last in line.)
Ready should mean the pilot is set up in his cockpit, engine on, brakes on, nav lights on if required, beer ready and other appropriate systems set for take-off. The leader may give a short briefing at this time.
It is important not to rush, be ready before you make your call.
Flight leader waits for last pilot to be ready. He calls, "Roger, rolling." and in a timely manner begins his roll.
Flight leader attains initial climb speed and positive climb and calls, "Wheels up." The turn to initial/course heading may be declared when safe. Example: "Leader turning to heading/on course, zero-nine-zero".
When the next pilot hears "Wheels up." he calls his roll and begins take-off.
Process continues until completed.
IMPORTANT: Each pilot must visually check that the runway is clear before beginning his roll.
Any suggestions, changes?
Falcon
When executing an inline takeoff collisions are common.
Grouping above the field is facilitated with standardized, well-timed departures. This is a simple procedure to follow.
~~~
Flight leader makes initial call when he is ready. In order, each pilot awaits his turn and states when he is ready. (Tail-end Charlie might state he is the last in line.)
Ready should mean the pilot is set up in his cockpit, engine on, brakes on, nav lights on if required, beer ready and other appropriate systems set for take-off. The leader may give a short briefing at this time.
It is important not to rush, be ready before you make your call.
Flight leader waits for last pilot to be ready. He calls, "Roger, rolling." and in a timely manner begins his roll.
Flight leader attains initial climb speed and positive climb and calls, "Wheels up." The turn to initial/course heading may be declared when safe. Example: "Leader turning to heading/on course, zero-nine-zero".
When the next pilot hears "Wheels up." he calls his roll and begins take-off.
Process continues until completed.
IMPORTANT: Each pilot must visually check that the runway is clear before beginning his roll.
Any suggestions, changes?
Falcon
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Good one...
maby something from the Finish-Airforce?
Flight-leader is in the last plane and thus sets of for target/way-point directly after take-off and the rest can easely fall in to formation as they allready have speed and alt...just a thought...
maby something from the Finish-Airforce?
Flight-leader is in the last plane and thus sets of for target/way-point directly after take-off and the rest can easely fall in to formation as they allready have speed and alt...just a thought...
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The other week in HE we were doing formation take-offs.
The AI at the back posed a bit of a threat , but mostly successful.
Grass runway - echelon pairs , good thing about that is you can see more than a dust cloud in front of you - throttle up and roll on leaders mark
Concrete runway can take 3 abreast Vic
Probably not a good idea when it's windy though.
The AI at the back posed a bit of a threat , but mostly successful.
Grass runway - echelon pairs , good thing about that is you can see more than a dust cloud in front of you - throttle up and roll on leaders mark
Concrete runway can take 3 abreast Vic
Probably not a good idea when it's windy though.
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Oft stated, but not oft enough practiced...
...is the method of turning your plane approximately 45 degrees left or right while awaiting your turn to roll. This applies to all taildraggers without a glass nose.
This allows you to see the runway/aircraft ahead of you. Consistent use of this practice has almost eliminated the plane-plane takeoff accidents.
When taxiing in a taildragger without a glass nose, it is helpful to weave down the taxiway to look alternately out the left- and right-hand quarter-panes of your windsheild. Helps you stay on the taxiway and off the grass. Remember some of the concrete runways in some of the maps have a surprising drop-off at the edge.
Stu, thanks for the Classics Illustrated version of the takeoff protocol! A picture is worth a K of words!
I think Lars' recommendation of Flight Leader as "tail-end Charlie" makes plenty of sense. Especially since some of us have a hard time catching up once the leader is gone. Allows for better coordination of formation and tighter defense if bounced.
This allows you to see the runway/aircraft ahead of you. Consistent use of this practice has almost eliminated the plane-plane takeoff accidents.
When taxiing in a taildragger without a glass nose, it is helpful to weave down the taxiway to look alternately out the left- and right-hand quarter-panes of your windsheild. Helps you stay on the taxiway and off the grass. Remember some of the concrete runways in some of the maps have a surprising drop-off at the edge.
Stu, thanks for the Classics Illustrated version of the takeoff protocol! A picture is worth a K of words!
I think Lars' recommendation of Flight Leader as "tail-end Charlie" makes plenty of sense. Especially since some of us have a hard time catching up once the leader is gone. Allows for better coordination of formation and tighter defense if bounced.
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Had a similar thought, as in :-:FI:RULES wrote: Good one...
maby something from the Finish-Airforce?
Flight-leader is in the last plane and thus sets of for target/way-point directly after take-off and the rest can easely fall in to formation as they allready have speed and alt...just a thought...
first flight to take off fly high cover
2nd take off to escort-
3rd flight=ground attack group fly straight to target or rendezvous point
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Re: Training/Radio Procedures/Takeoff
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Re: Training/Radio Procedures/Takeoff
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if everyone actually said rolling things would be much better
if everyone actually said rolling things would be much better